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Confirmed: Government Defines Which Prayers Are Legal Under NSW Conversion Law

8 September 2025

3.5 MINS

The NSW Government has confirmed that certain prayers are now illegal under the Conversion Practices Ban Act, prompting widespread concern among Christians about the erosion of religious freedom and the future of pastoral ministry.

The NSW Government has confirmed that certain forms of prayer are now illegal under the controversial Conversion Practices Ban Act, which took effect in April this year.

During a recent parliamentary committee hearing, Liberal MP Susan Carter pressed Attorney-General Michael Daley on whether the legislation curtails freedom of religious expression by placing a “prohibition on prayer”.

During the six-minute exchange, Daley confirmed that while general prayer is not prohibited, prayers directed at changing or suppressing a person’s sexuality or gender are indeed classified “conversion practices” and are therefore unlawful.

Prior to the Attorney-General’s admission, uncertainty had persisted among NSW Christians over whether prayer is restricted under the Act, despite assurances from the law’s supporters it would not be affected.

“You can pray with a person and do all those sorts of things,” the Attorney-General told the committee. “But if you pray in a way that it becomes a… sustained practice directed to a person with a view to changing their sexual orientation or gender, that’s against the law.”

Ms Carter pressed further, asking, “With respect, isn’t prayer commonly about change of all sorts of things?”

Daley clarified that “if you’re sitting down praying to someone to strengthen them and guide them and all those pastoral considerations, that’s fine. But if you’re sitting down to ‘pray the gay away’, that’s not”.

The Attorney-General’s answer reveals that the government now effectively decides which prayers are permissible and which are not, confirming that long-standing protections for religious freedom in NSW have been measurably eroded under the Act.

Private Prayer Potentially Policed by Government

Ms Carter further questioned the legal authority for the state to define lawful prayer. “So the government has the right to say what prayer is lawful and what prayer is unlawful?” she asked.

Daley replied, “Well, if it’s an unlawful prayer, then it’s not a lawful prayer”. He further clarified that conduct, not merely words, is the determining factor under the Act:

Government can put limits on the behaviour of its citizens, regardless of what that behaviour is. And they do it in a myriad of ways every single day, whether it’s prayer or driving or dealing in drugs or assaulting other people. There’s nothing special about words coming out of a person’s mouth. If the words that come out of a person’s mouth constitute a conversion practice, it’s offensive to the Act.

Daley then hinted that even internal, private prayer may fall within the law’s scope.

When Carter asked whether a person praying privately for a loved one to follow God’s guidance — for instance, in abstaining from sex outside marriage — would be in breach, Daley first dismissed the question as “ridiculous”.

He then stopped short of assuring it would be legal, instructing the MP, “You should, as a legally qualified person, go and work out by reading the Act whether you think that is a conversion practice or not.”

Daley’s refusal to categorically exempt personal prayer leaves NSW Christians exposed to prosecution for the simple act of praying, even silently, if it is interpreted as an attempt to influence sexual behaviour.

Such a precedent has already been set in the United Kingdom, where Christians like Isabel Vaughan-Spruce and Fr Sean Gough have been arrested for silently praying near abortion clinics.

Legal Ambiguity Concerns Faith Communities

The legislation’s wording has left many Christians uncertain about what constitutes lawful prayer. Anti-Discrimination NSW advises that while counselling and prayer remain permitted, any effort to influence sexual orientation or gender identity is prohibited. Daley confirmed this distinction:

It is not unlawful for a person to seek counsel or guidance from within their faith. Counsel and guidance, including prayer, can still be given as long as it is not an attempt to change or suppress the person’s sexuality or gender identity.

As previously reported by The Daily Declaration, such limitations will likely affect common practices in churches, counselling ministries, youth programs and beyond, where prayer frequently addresses life choices and moral behaviour, and calls people to obey God’s Word.

Religious groups warn that this distinction will be difficult to navigate in pastoral settings, where guidance often includes moral and behavioural encouragement consistent with Scripture.

The Australian Christian Lobby, which first drew attention to the hearing by sharing footage of it on social media, noted, “According to the Attorney General, Michael Daley, the NSW Conversion Practices Ban Act makes some prayers with, or over, someone about these matters illegal regardless of consent.”

“We will continue to advocate for clear answers on this legislation and work to ensure that everyone has the right to pray without limitations,” the group added. They continued:

As we live with this new legislation, let us reflect on the prayer for boldness in Acts 4:23-31, specifically verse 29 — “Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness.” Pray our churches and Christian leaders remain bold and uncompromising in their commitment to God’s Word in their ministry.

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19 Comments

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    Warwick Marsh 8 September 2025 at 9:22 am - Reply

    In 2005 Janet Folger released her brilliant and prescient book the Criminalization of Christianity. Sadly it is more true than ever. We need revival, refomation and repentance. https://www.amazon.com.au/Criminalization-Christianity-Janet-Folger/dp/1590524683

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    David Hallett 8 September 2025 at 9:24 am - Reply

    The NSW Government, along with the Victorian Government, have now declared themselves to be above God and are dictating what God can hear or can’t hear. This is a very serious situation that these governments have put themselves in.

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    Christine Crawford 8 September 2025 at 9:28 am - Reply

    I feel sorry for the NSW A-G who has no understanding of the meaning and mechanics of “prayer”. When you are praying to/with God, you are in sync with the God of the universe and therefore, together are having communication with each other. No-one needs call the shots. Is the NSW A-G now going to put restrictions on other religions who communicate with their gods or are only Christian prayers going to be banned or are these people exempt; thus causing further religious separation between Australia?

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    Margaret Rowland 8 September 2025 at 10:55 am - Reply

    Communism is at the core of these evil attacks on our country 🇦🇺

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    Gail Petherick 8 September 2025 at 11:03 am - Reply

    This is another sad day for Australia and a warning to all Christians that Australia is on a downward slope, though we can hope and pray this legislation is repealed.
    May God give understanding of scripture to those who govern us and may many read and hear the stories of those who underwent gender conversion, that has caused harm and made it an irreversible decision to turn back to being male or female, often forgoing the role of motherhood or procreation.
    ….It is also a reminder that we are we are to pray for those in authority who can either accept the Judeo- Christian values we adopted in 1901 or try to destroy them.
    May churches speak up and petitions be used to open the eyes and ears of those who have no understanding of Gods ways and who show no fear of the Living God who will ask an account of their life and decisions made in Govt.

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    Gail Petherick 8 September 2025 at 11:20 am - Reply

    Thank you for this article, Kurt. It shows how wayward and now atheistic the NSW Govt has become, by denying scripture. May God forgive the gross error of banning prayer and counselling of those seeking truth, and open eyes and protect our youth.
    Thanking God for the Integrity creed written- as a way to affirm Gods ways, His values and His design for marriage and male and female.
    We are warned that in the last days many go astray and follow fables (1 Timothy chpt 3).Thanking God too that we have God who doesn’t lie and that we know that every word of scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit and God breathed.

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    BB 8 September 2025 at 11:28 am - Reply

    Prayer is between the individual (or group in the case or communal prayer) and God. The government does not feature.
    In fact, the government attempting to dictate which prayers are valid, is it attempting to dictate elements of religious worship and declare itself an authority figure within the religion.
    NO WAY!

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    Claire Kaltenrieder 8 September 2025 at 11:57 am - Reply

    If it wasn’t so sneakily devious, it would be laughable. Lord, have mercy!

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    Joan Armstrong 8 September 2025 at 12:15 pm - Reply

    Wow! the Attorney General must really believe in the power of prayer that conversion may happen. Is that what he is afraid of? 🤔

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    Neil Harvey 8 September 2025 at 12:16 pm - Reply

    I can’t help wondering (facetiously, I admit) – did the government pray before making this decision?

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    Dave 8 September 2025 at 5:01 pm - Reply

    I wonder whether someone will be caught out praying silently in their house (admitting to it), to “pray the gay away”, and there be a court case about it (maybe there will be an attempt to fine them). It would expose the opposition to prayer.

    Interestingly, under this act, it is unlawful to pray for a pedophile for their sexual orientation to change or be supressed. The act “protects” *all* sexual orientation, not just what is lawful, as though pedophillia ought to be accepted as the rest. Maybe they are going to in future, either protect pedophiles in high places, or make it socially acceptable, like homosexual behavior.

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    Shane Fuller 8 September 2025 at 8:04 pm - Reply

    and this is why we are loosing our nation.
    Our leaders have no wisdom, no knowledge and no faith and they
    declare to God “depart from us for we desire not the knowledge of your ways”
    and until we all seek the Lord, things are going to get much much worse….

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    Shane 8 September 2025 at 8:20 pm - Reply

    Many have no vision, no faith, no wisdom, no knowledge.
    They say unto God, “depart from us for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways”.
    Piece by piece our country is lost; land and asset, heritage and history, purpose, faith, love, and our kids

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    David Vowles 8 September 2025 at 10:55 pm - Reply

    Does the NSW legislation prohibit primary school teachers from suggesting that young children question their gender? If not, why not!

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    Nozardel 11 September 2025 at 7:18 pm - Reply

    But how would the gov’t know if or when the person is praying silently or privately in the solitude of her mind or thoughts in the privacy of her home or bedroom regardless the prayer is unlawful or not? Unless, the gov’t now intrudes into the privacy of people’s homes, invades and makes surveillance of people’s mind. Is that what the gov’t is planning to do to find out what the christian and non-christian people are praying?

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    Nozardel 11 September 2025 at 7:31 pm - Reply

    How can the gov’t catch someone from praying silently or privately in the solitude of her bedroom regardless the prayer is unlawful or not? There is a new law which was passed last year in 2024, Tort of Invasion of Privacy, under the common law.

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    Nozardel 12 September 2025 at 7:40 pm - Reply

    OMG, the gov’t plays above God now! No one is above God!

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    leigh 13 September 2025 at 6:56 am - Reply

    Very odd- so supporting some one to “change” their “sex” or”” sexual identity ” in the way that the state approves of is legal, but supporting them not to do so is illegal. The madness of the left

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    Nik 18 September 2025 at 12:26 pm - Reply

    people failed to defend their faith going back almost a century now First with Xmas trees a pagan symbol being normalised , then Santa replacing Jesus as the gift bearer , and then when laws banned public display of nativity scenes from everywhere except inside a church .
    They complied and rolled over .It’s their own fault .And only now that they want to have a holy war are they actually stirring the Christian pot to attract reaction of division fuelling the fury war needs .They’ll just play the public like a fiddle Again .Over and over .And the people just comply and react totally predictably Transparently obvious .in my opinion

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